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E8: Elisa Becker's Experience of the 4/6 Profile in Human Design

Elisa Becker

Mindset Coach & Business Mentor

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Lisa is a Mindset Coach and Business Mentor with 8 years of coaching experience and a Master's in Psychology. She works 1:1 with new and aspiring female business owners to take up space and share their expertise and gifts with the world. In her work she blends effective strategy with helping you shift your visibility psychology, always making sure that you grow your business & clientele with authenticity and integrity.

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Full Transcript - Episode 8


Chantelle: Have a listen while today's guest, Lisa, a 4/6 shares her story while you read between the lines.

So Lisa, 4/6,, what does that all feel like for you? And when did you first discover your profile?

Lisa: Okay. I think maybe around two years ago, so yeah, maybe like in 2020 actually I was in a manifestation program where she shared a lot about just like human design in general.

And that's when I really first dove into the teaching and, and all of that. When I first found out I'm a 4/6 and first read the meaning especially with the 6, there was this resistance within me because it kind of like, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, right? And it was the situation of, you know, so I am, I am now [00:02:00] oh my God, how old am I?

I'm now 37. So, and

Chantelle: Me too, well in a few weeks.

Lisa: Oh yeah. Wait, are you a Sagittarius?

Chantelle: I am, yes.

Lisa: Me too. Oh, course I'm gonna be 38 in a couple of weeks. . And so I had this, wait, I want to be successful now. I don't want to wait until this third phase.

Like the six profile, right? Being in my fifties or whatever, I don't want to wait for that. And so initially I felt a lot of resistance towards this profile. I was like, I don't want to associate with it.

Chantelle: That's fair.

Lisa: My first experience with it, and then as time went on, I just had a lot of aha moments in my business in regards to what is working, what is not working, especially to like the four which is all about from my understanding, all about community and networking. And I noticed that I am getting a ton. So I work with clients just one on one and I'm getting a ton of one on one [00:03:00] clients actually from being in different communities without me having the intention of signing a client from that specific community. But just because I am interested in that community, it feels like fun. It feels aligned. And then I am naturally interacting with the people and then they come into my world.

And then they're like, Oh wait, I want to work with you. And so I noticed, I just recently wrote down actually A list of my last 20 clients I had and where they came from to like have more data points for

Chantelle: Sure. Yeah, that's a valuable exercise.

Lisa: That's such a great exercise. It was mind blowing.

I was like, my God, maybe like 80 percent initially come from some form of network community. Yeah. And so I was like, oh, wait, the four line, there's really something to it. That is something that, I need to pay attention to.

Chantelle: [00:04:00] Right. Yeah. It sounds like that feels almost effortless for you.

Although it wasn't the specific intention to go into those communities, finding clients that it's just manifesting by its own accord, almost. That does feel like a very four line experience from the four lines that I know. I know people are going to be really curious about what kind of communities, can you tell us a little bit about some of your favorites and what makes those so resonant for you as a four?

Lisa: Interestingly enough, one was the community of the like manifestation program where I initially learned about human design. So it's like a full circle. I had a couple of clients actually from that community where I was a fellow participant, fellow learner, right?

Mm-Hmm. . Yeah, and then also I like joining masterminds, group coaching experiences and from those, I definitely also signed clients.

Chantelle: I'm curious if this is like a little bit of [00:05:00] a Manifesting Generator thing too, because I connect with what you're saying, and I don't have either four or six lines.

Especially in the earlier iterations of my business in my first few years, all of my clients came from this one in-person networking group. And it just snowballed. I was doing branding and website design and almost like I'd made every person's website inside this group at one point, it was just wild.

And I credit the success of my whole business to being part of that group. Those connections were somehow more authentic. I was showing up in those communities with a desire to help more than a desire to find clients and a desire to connect entrepreneur to entrepreneur than it was a desire to find clients.

So similar to you, I didn't go in thinking this is my plan. But afterwards, once I realized the success of that, I was like, Oh. This is my three line going, that was a positive experience. I want to replicate that. And so then I started to go into [00:06:00] every other experience, like you said, like a mastermind or group coaching, where I was positioned with other learners and making those peer to peer connections and that turned into basically my entire marketing strategy where anything I bought for my business had to fulfill two purposes. It had to help me grow personally as an entrepreneur. And sorry, three purposes and then connect with other people on this honest, authentic level.

And then also be a place where I might potentially find another client. So I am curious if that's a bit of an MG kind of thing. Although I noticed in your chart too, that you are markets environment and I'm kitchens and both of those are very people oriented.


So I think that possibly shows up in those elements of our charts maybe as well. Tell me a bit about markets and how you resonate [00:07:00] with that.

Lisa: So markets. The first time I heard it, I was like, I, I love farmers market. I just, I mean, I don't know, maybe every person loves farmer's market because it's such a wholesome nice place to be in, but I love markets.

Chantelle: I don't think it is everyone actually. My friend who I was mentioning before we started recording who's Markets, her too. She is absolutely like a Sunday morning farmer's market kind of girl. And like, I never go, I'm not Markets. I don't think it is necessarily everyone. I find that alignment very interesting.

Lisa: Yeah. One of my mentors mentioned her environment is Kitchens and she was like talking about that. And then I had the inspiration to go back and actually read through, I typed into Google, you know markets, environment, human design, and just read through some stuff.

It makes sense that market people thrive with the [00:08:00] flow of the seasons and that is something that I Every season I feel like I'm becoming a different person I love every season. I love all of them and I'm always wanting to, and now I'm allowing myself to do that even more.

I always want to have like a new morning routine when a new season starts.

And I recently just started creating instead of vision boards, kind of like mood boards for each season, like how I want to experience the season. And, I love all things that are like. You know, in fall to really do all the fall things that might be cheesy, but I just, I love that so much when I read that and it makes sense, right?

Like it's farmer's market. Obviously, there's seasonal vegetables, and I think this is where it comes from. But I resonated so much with that. So I am now thinking in [00:09:00] regards to my business, I'm thinking about, well, how can I maybe integrate my love for seasons, and that I flow like with the seasons, and I can really feel it in my body, like having this flow with the seasons.

How can I integrate that into my business in some way, shape, or form, like offering, I don't know, like seasonal offers or

Chantelle: A seasonal reset or a seasonal upgrade or Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's fun to play with. That gets my MG inspiration going for sure.

I love that for you. I'm curious, you said you've been coaching for eight plus years, but human design is a newer thing, like two years. Is there anything that felt really validating when you first encountered your chart? And then also second part to the question is, is there anything that you changed after you knew about your chart in your business?

Lisa: Oh my god it has been such a[00:10:00] rollercoaster of a journey. So let me think, something that feels validating. My being a manifesting generator and this whole idea of having multiple passions and being a multi-passionate, I resonate with it so, so, so much and having a hard time with this drilling down to one interest or one passion and being all about that, I always envy people who have this, you know, I'm only doing this and I'm doing this like, you know, since decades and whatnot.

And I always wanted something like that. And so reading through the manifesting generator side, it was like, yeah, you know that definitely resonates. And then also the sacral, but I'm a sacral Manifesting Generator and I just know immediately if something is a yes or no, I just feel it in my body and so when I read this was like, oh, okay, I am designed that way that's validating. And then something that shifted.

[00:11:00] Knowing that I'm a manifesting generator, I really had to navigate how I want to run my business in a way that also strategically makes sense and doesn't burn me out by always starting something new. Right? Like we kind of like want to all the time, having this desire to go after this passion. And then a week later, go after this passion. Really for me, I feel like it was a journey for me figuring out how to navigate that with my business, this manifesting generator, multi passionate side. Yeah, that has been a journey.

Chantelle: Well, I can certainly relate being an MG myself, I think a lot about how I can sustain a business, which I know needs consistency and continuity, while also still not hemming myself in or [00:12:00] forcing myself to work on something where I don't have that spark anymore that's something that is important to me. That's constant for me as well. So, wow. Can I ever relate to that!

For a while, what worked for me was when I worked one on one with clients, it was a project based thing and it came to an end. I deliberately kept my window of time of working with clients really small. I had it down to like, in four weeks, you could have a whole brand new branded website.

And people thought wow, that's fast. And I just was honest that if I work with you for longer, the longer I push it, my energy for the project. will burn out. And then by the end, I'm not going to be producing good work anymore. And in fact, I'm going to resent the project. And I know that.

So I'm planning for that intentionally. I tried a two week window, I tried a three month window, I tried all sorts of different lengths of time. And [00:13:00] what I came to was in four weeks, I had enough time to do the best possible job on the project without getting into that resentment mode.

The not self theme of being an MG is frustration. And I found if I had to work on a project, one project, with the same set of colors, the same set of fonts, the same person, if I had to work on that for too long, the frustration would really set in and then it would bleed into the work that I was doing.

I took a very three line approach to figuring out what is the specific, precise length of time that works for me. But in the end. it was very valuable to listen to that sacral and not push past that point. By doing that, it really saved me from the burnout of it.

Although I had a ton of projects going on all the time, it helped that I was never pushing myself past that point on a project. So that's something that worked for me back then. And [00:14:00] then now that I'm not doing that kind of one on one work anymore, instead of embarking on one book writing project, which would take a long time and my interest might wane for it.

That's when I started doing Facet instead. And so every quarter, and this might be a thing to pick up with, like with you seasonally, every quarter, I have a new topic. Every three months I get to dive into another facet. By focusing on just that one element, and then knowing that on the horizon, three months later, there's a new topic, it lets me get deep without getting bored.

And maybe that is for you too, like the seasonality is your sacral , like you're no longer excited about that season by the time it's ended, you know, you've done all the Fall things and you're ready for something new, right?

Lisa: I find it super interesting what you said about one on one clients, because I don't experience what you shared at all when working with one on one clients. [00:15:00] And I actually, for me, feel like it's the other way around. Okay. So I feel like the longer I work with somebody, the better results I get them and the better we work together.

But also , I'm a psychologist at heart, right? I do coaching, but I studied psychology and maybe that's the four line as well, that's very human centered, human focused. I have six months offers and a lot of them renew. And I love working with people like a year, a year and a half.

And then I really know their brain and energy inside and out. And then I know, Oh, okay, this will work for you. No, this will not. Like this worked in the past. Like really getting to know them. I could work just with, I don't know, like 10 clients. For the rest of, like, all of our lives.

Do you know what I mean? And it wouldn't bore me. So yeah, that's really interesting because like both of us being MGs, but then we have really different experiences.

Chantelle: Well, [00:16:00] to clarify though, I do work with one on clients as well in a recurring basis now, but it's not a project based thing.

So for me, it was dragging on a specific project too long. that felt bad. And so with a website, like lots of agencies would say, okay, we're going to build this out over three months, over six months. And a key selling point for me was I don't work that way. And I concentrated my energy into a smaller amount of time, but that said, there are clients that I work with now on a recurring basis, two times a month, two calls a month.

And our relationship keeps building and growing and we're working on the same business, but we're not working on a project per se. We're working more on things that come up in their businesses.

Mm-Hmm. . And so it was like the creating a product and stretching out that product over too much time. Whereas when I work with clients now, it's okay. What's [00:17:00] on the to do list today. Let's complete those pieces. I have this thing with completion. If I'm drawing out the end result for too long, that's when I noticed that sacral burnout happening.

And so my work with clients one on one now looks like we complete six or seven things in that one hour. And then the next call we complete another six or seven things. But I find if I keep like a loop open too long, I need to close loops for how my energy works.

Lisa: I wonder if that's also like our manifesting generator side wanting to be really quick.

Right. Like I notice myself with projects in my own business, I get things done really quickly and sometimes like a little scrappy and then I go back and have to like hash out the details or tweak like later on once they have more data points and things like that.

Chantelle: Okay, I'm picking up on something. You mentioned data points a couple of [00:18:00] times. And that feels like something that's important to you and your business. That feels like a little bit of a line six thing to me, that role model wanting to learn from experience and consolidate. Tell me more about that relationship to data and if you feel like that connects with that role model line six.

Lisa: Oh, I never thought about it that way. So okay, maybe a little backstory. Where I studied psychology, it was taught as a very scientific study, right? So we are doing a ton of like statistics, a ton of data, which you wouldn't normally guess when you think about studying psychology, but it was for us that way.

And, and I really appreciate that. I love science. My first job after graduating was in research. And so I am a little researcher. I love research in general, and also like, you know, writing my master thesis and getting data.

I love those things. [00:19:00] And I still do. Even though I really resonate with spirituality and intuitive insights and all of that. I also really do love just looking at data and looking at research and looking at what research is finding. Right. I never thought about it being something around the six line profile.

Chantelle: I don't know. As someone who doesn't have six myself, I see the six as someone who's gathering experiences to consolidate and to become wise. That's my understanding of the six line which of course is related to the three line and that's why that there's that whole living as a three until the first Saturn return ish, where then you go on to the roof for the second phase, then off the roof again in the third phase, but there's this. Well, while a three line will experiment just to kind of see what happens, a sixth line really is becoming more wise with that and experimenting for a purpose- to see patterns [00:20:00] and to amass wisdom in a way. And so , something clicked when you were talking about data points.

Lisa: Yeah, that, yeah, I never thought about it that way, but I can relate to that actually. I just recently realized, getting it mirrored back from other people which I still have sometimes a hard time seeing myself that way, but other people reflecting back to my life that they look up to me and that.

You know, and I even can see how often I am very influential, like I'm going a certain route, like being interested in astrology and human design. And then my friends are catching on, like, wait, what is that? And, you know, getting into it. And I noticed that with a lot of different things, too. I feel like the six line, I'm still like, living it, obviously. I mean, I'm living the process. But I don't know where it will bring me. And I feel like it's not [00:21:00] something I can necessarily push or truly I don't know how to say this, like truly like work with in a conscious, you know, I won't say effort in way because we don't want to come from this energy with anything, but you know what I mean?

Like this. Okay. How can I make this work, from this energy? I think with a six line, it's more those moments where somebody is moving back to me, just like the other day, I was talking to a friend and just like, I, you know, I admire you for, this and your strength and that and resilience.

That really touches me and I wouldn't have even thought that she's thinking of me in that way. The six line right now is just noticing what is maybe also changing my life in regards to like how other people see me with the journey that I have been on.

And just like, my work and also like my inner development and all of those things. And again, I [00:22:00] feel like it's not something I can necessarily influence. It's just like, Oh, okay. Let's notice what comes up and, and yeah, interesting to see where the journey goes with a sixth line..

Chantelle: Right. What you're describing is almost this acceptance. With the path and a deep trust in the journey.

Okay. So tell me about the, I don't know if you would call it a transformation, correct me if I'm wrong, but from psychology to coaching, I'm curious about that, like how, how that all blends together. I know there's a little bit of, let's say, ish between the therapists and the online coaches of the world.

So how do you navigate that line? And how, how did that journey play out for you?

Lisa: Oh, wow. It's like another hour. Oh, okay. The, the short, maybe like, I don't know if it's short, but

Chantelle: Let's have the medium [00:23:00] version.

Lisa: So I studied psychology because I'm just so curious about human nature, right? And it's all of my other passions that I have and like career, you know, ideas I had in my life.

But I knew in my heart, I never wanted to be a psychotherapist just because I am an empath and so I just knew that I couldn't surround myself all day with people having mental health problems. That wouldn't be for my best interest. and wouldn't feel fulfilling for me.

And so I did like research because again, like I love data points, I love research. I did that for two years. And then I really wanted to go into group coaching and training because again, I love working with people and I think, well, maybe that's also like six lines.

I love teaching. And then I followed my sacral[00:24:00] and just was like, I want to do like leadership, communication, training, you know. in organizations. And so I found a job, which is very rare to be employed for that kind of work. A lot of those are freelancers or, you know, businesses as well.

And so I had this job and that was amazing because there was so much more teaching and coaching and like group coaching than therapy at all. And I love that. I love helping people with managing roles, like communicating better with their team and their personal development as well.

And all of those like leadership skills and all of that, I love that. And then we, so I am German back in, I was in Germany, my boyfriend is French. And at one point, we decided to move to France. And I always wanted to start something on my own. [00:25:00] And I was like, Well, you know, if we are moving countries, then it can just be, you know, my leap of faith of saying I have to quit this job anyway.

I can just start my own business. And at this point, it was just clear to me, I want to do coaching. I want to do one on one coaching because I enjoy that so much in the previous work that I have done. So yeah, that was my pathway to coaching. And I feel like, the coaching world is, I love coaching.

I really do believe it is a great industry. There are black sheep, in every industry. And sometimes it's wild, wild west to people having no business coaching other people.

I feel like being a psychologist and knowing so much about how human behavior works, how our brain works, it's just helping me being a great coach.

And that is how I bring those things together. But I also do believe and love [00:26:00] therapy. I think, you know, every coaching has its place. Therapy has its place. For me, there is no internal beef between those two.

What other people are doing, it's like, okay, like, you know, do whatever you want.

Chantelle: Thanks for sharing your perspective on that. Not that I'm trying to get into controversy or anything, but I'm always curious about some of those things that maybe are left unsaid in those conversations.

I'm curious from an MG side, how have you integrated and nurtured change in the types of people that you work with, or like how you work with them ?

Lisa: I have been coaching for eight years, but that was also with my previous work. My business I have since 2018. And oh my God, my, you know how people always tell you, and I tell this to my clients as well, but you know how people always tell you, you have to have a client avatar, like, you know, imagining who you're talking to. My client avatar has changed maybe 20 times, if not more, over the last five years.

And so [00:27:00] there was a lot of change in regards to the people I work with.

Chantelle: So many people listening to this are going to find that very validating. I'm so glad you said that out loud. I agree. Sometimes I think people say, oh, ideal client doesn't matter because it does change all the time for them or whatever, but I disagree with that.

I think it still matters, but I think it should be allowed to change. Both of those can be true. I think we cause ourselves a disservice when we think that, oh, well, I wrote that that one time and now it's that and then it has to stay that. Clinging to something being a certain way for a long time is a detriment to us as business owners.

But I love that you said that that avatar has changed 20 times because I didn't hear in that, that you gave up having one. I heard that you consciously allowed it to shift, which is very powerful.

Lisa: It would be so weird to start a business and say. Oh, this is the type of person I'm working with.

And then there's [00:28:00] my data points again, right? Then working with clients, I have new data points of what I am great at or the type of person I enjoy. And then with those information, not tweaking who I'm working with or what I, you know, the transformation that I'm talking to in my messaging would be just crazy.

But yeah, so I have shifted quite a lot. Because people were coming from referrals and different communities and masterminds and groups I have had really a big variety of people I work with in regards to age, their life situation what they ultimately want in their lives and.

Not always did the client avatar I had in my mind for that moment, like the person who booked the discovery call, you know, align with that client avatar. [00:29:00] But that was really a moment where I always listened to my gut and I didn't say no to people who I really wanted to work with just because they didn't fit my client avatar. You know what I mean?

Chantelle: Yes.

Lisa: If you have a discovery call and you're like, I don't want to work with this person. I feel like we're not a great fit. There are ways to communicate that.

And I did like say no to people who on paper would be my ideal client but where in my gut, there was something saying I don't feel the energy here.

Because I work so closely with people, right? It's like, do I really want to be on a call with this person, every week and work so closely together?

Chantelle: Oh, I'm so glad that we got to talk about that. This has been a wonderful conversation.

On this show, we close out every episode with a card pull. I'm using the custom human design affirmation deck by Glow Glow Juice HD made by Christina and the cards I'm holding [00:30:00] are 4/6 specific.

Some cards relate to the four, some cards relate to the six, some relate to the profile as a whole. Now that we've come full circle in our conversation we'll do our closing ritual. So we'll start with a deep breath in together.

And letting that go.

The card that is speaking to me for you is: It is okay to be exclusive. I'm not for everyone. And everyone is not for me, which is really kind of what we were just talking about. And the question on the card is, do I need to assert my boundaries or assess the quality of my network?

Lisa: Ooh. Okay. So this statement was really what we are just talking about. So that's like a yes. And then, this question is really interesting because I'm currently finding myself being really intentional, especially more and more intentional in my personal life [00:31:00] and in my business.

Being more intentional with the type of people I am surrounding myself with and the communities I put my energy into because if you're in it, right, you're energetically influenced by the community, by the people around you. And that's very interesting because I am a recovering people pleaser, you know, Oh, I always want to people to get along and don't want to make people uncomfortable, which is also a great trait, I think.

But on the other hand, I had to say no to like different communities and groups where, when I came out of the group, I noticed that my energy was depleted. Instead of where when I was in other groups, I came out and I had more energy. And so more and more I [00:32:00] am saying no, just like having the awareness around that. I didn't do that before, but I'm starting to really give myself permission.

And I think that's like giving myself permission to say no to those groups or communities or people or places that... I hate the word toxic by the way, that's just so, but you know, how like people on the internet streets would say that feels toxic to me, but that's a great way to put it.

Chantelle: Maybe you could say it so that you're looking more towards things that feel generative.

You could flip it to that.

Lisa: Yeah, exactly.

Chantelle: Thank you for sharing. That was a beautiful response - I'm glad we pulled that card. It feels like that message was waiting to come out.

Can you tell us where people can find you if they want to learn more?

Lisa: Yeah, of course. So, I am most active on Instagram.

I love Instagram. I don't care what anyone says. I love Instagram. I love reels.[00:33:00] And so you can find me @leapwithlisa on Instagram and that is quite honestly the best place. I just started a Facebook group, which is also very four line.

Go to my Instagram and then from there, I will lead you to all the places you need to go if you want to go further.

Chantelle: Beautiful. Thank you so much, Lisa.

Lisa: Thank you.

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